Sean Ogle did exactly that. In 2009, Sean quit his job and moved to Thailand. Sounds like fun?
Success Harbor: Hi Everyone. This is George Meszaros with Success Harbor and I have Sean Ogle with me. He is the man behind Location180. Welcome.
Sean Ogle: Thanks for having me. I’m glad to be here.
Success Harbor: Thanks for being here Sean. Tell me what happened to you during a trip to Brazil that had a huge impact on your life. This is something that I read on your blog. You said Brazil started it all for you. How did that happen?
Sean Ogle: Yes. So in 2009 I was working as a financial analyst in Portland, Oregon and it wasn’t really what I wanted to be doing you know. The stock market had collapsed so it wasn’t really a fun industry to be in and I had saved up all my vacation time for a year to go down to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil for the carnival celebration with my best friends and we were down there for two weeks. We danced in the carnival parade. We went hang-gliding over in Rio. We went to Wazoo Falls. It was really one of you know the best trips I could have ever had and the last day, my friend and I were sitting on Copa Cabana beach drinking coconuts you know, looking out at the beautiful weather and we just kind of realized we should be able to do this whenever we want you know. I was at a point where I couldn’t go get my oil changed on a Tuesday if I needed to. I had to come up with excuses to get out of work to do things like that and so it was after that trip I got back and was like you know what, let’s try something else. Let’s you know start a business or let’s see what I can do to get out of my job and do something that would make me a little bit happier. And it definitely helped that the day I got back from Brazil I got a twenty percent pay cut because of you know what the financial markets had done so you know that just pushed me in the right direction.
Success Harbor: Okay. Now you started Location180 in 2009 if I understand correctly. What were your goals with you know, Location 180 back in 2009 regardless of what it has become today? What would have made you happy back then?
Sean Ogle: Yes, so basically I started Location180 about two months after I got back from Brazil and my whole goal at the time for the site was to hold myself accountable for all the stuff I wanted to do in life. So I created my Bucket List and I wrote a list of all the stuff that I wanted to do. I started writing about how I was unhappy with my job and I was looking for a change and I didn’t know what that change was going to look like but I knew that if I put it out there and there were people reading it I was going to be much more likely to follow through with all the stuff that I had been talking about doing for a long time.
Success Harbor: So you’ve been blogging for about five years now but at what point did it become a business? You know initially I don’t know if, you know, doing this as a business was number one priority but at one point did it become a source of revenue for you and a business?
Sean Ogle: So it was never the goal to make it a business. It just kind of happens and even today you can argue whether or not the blog itself is much of a business. Yes there is affiliate links and I make some money but it’s mostly from other products I sell that are kind of related to the website so I would say it first really kind of became a business probably a year into doing the site. I remember my first big affiliate you know promotion. I was, it was for Chris Gilbo’s Empire Building Kit and it was in May of 2010 and I remember I was sitting in Bangkok in a friend’s apartment and it was 11 o’clock at night our time so we’re getting ready to launch and we went down the street to go get a couple drinks. We came back and five minutes after it had launched I had made $500 in commissions and at that moment I was like whoa, maybe there is something to this. Maybe this could be a viable business and so you know it was after that that I kind of started taking it a little bit more seriously. I started to develop my own series of products so I would say it was probably a year was when it first started but it was probably two to two and a half years before it was a really sustainable thing long term.
Success Harbor: Now. Were, how do you feel about you know your attempt to try to make this into a business for this first two, two and a half years? Were you worried about it or did you think that you know this is just the path and we’ll see what happens.
Sean Ogle: You know I really wasn’t too concerned about it because like I said initially my goal was never to make it a business. I was just kind of doing it to help facilitate change and anything else was bonus. While I was living in you know for those of you who don’t know who I am, I left my job, six months later I moved to Thailand in January of 2010 and I started learning how to do Internet marketing. I also worked with a couple guys over there, helped them you know kind of run their business and they you know gave me some of the Internet marketing background and paid for my basic living expenses. So while I was doing that I had a little bit of income coming in. In July of 2010, I moved back to the United States so it was like okay, eight hundred bucks a month isn’t going to get me very far so I got to figure out how to support myself and that’s when I started doing freelance search engine optimization. And I did that for about two years and then once all the products and the blogs and all the other stuff started taking off then I kind of you know wound down the freelance work and focused specifically on Location180.
Success Harbor: So why did you, I mean I have read about you know your blog and your blog on Thailand and all that, so why come back from Thailand, you know back to Portland?
Sean Ogle: There was a variety of reasons. One my girlfriend was here so we had been together about two years and then I kind of went through the whole quarter life crisis and I said I needed to move to Thailand and that’s what I had to do to make myself happy. We actually just got engaged a couple weeks ago so I’m still with her.
Success Harbor: Congratulations.
Sean Ogle: So she was, she was a big reason for it. One of my favorite events of the year in Portland is the Oregon Brewer’s Festival. It’s one of the biggest beer festivals in the country and it’s right down on the river and I really for whatever reason wanted to go to it so at the end of July I decided to come back then and kind of left it open. I said maybe I would go back to Thailand, maybe I wouldn’t but realistically kind of what I figured is that I started to figure out how I liked to travel. I wasn’t necessarily someone that wanted to be on the road all the time. I like having a home base. Portland is one of my favorite cities in the world so you know kind of what I figured out is I like to spend most of my time here and then take you know shorter trips to other places. So now I spend about 8 months out of the year here and I’m traveling about four months to various places.
Success Harbor: Where do you travel when you’re on the road?
Sean Ogle: It’s all over the place. So I travel to Asia a lot just because I have a lot of entrepreneurial friends over there. I’ve done some work in China so I’m usually there once or twice a year. Currently, I’m trying to play the top 100 golf courses in the United States so I’m travelling all over the US a lot to go knock off some of these courses but it’s really kind of all over the map. I’m going to Scotland later this year so it’s kind of wherever an opportunity shows up I’m usually pretty quick to jump on it.
Success Harbor: I live in San Diego, California. I’m sure there are some of those golf courses around this area.
Sean Ogle: There are. I’m actually planning a trip to San Diego this summer so we’ll have to get together and maybe have golf lessons.
Success Harbor: Yeah, maybe we will. Yeah. Sounds good. You know, talk about initially maybe the first you know couple of two, three years, the challenges of generating revenue from you know, I don’t know if you want to talk about Location Rebel. I don’t know when Location Rebel came into the picture exactly and what role it has in your business as of today.
Sean Ogle: Well early on it was difficult to generate revenue just because I didn’t know what I was doing you know. I, you know, when I started a blog I probably first heard the term blog about a month before I created Location180, so I really didn’t know what I was doing. I didn’t know the different avenues that were open to me and so you know one of the things you realized pretty quick is that if you’re going to be a blogger and if you’re going to make money at it you have to be a marketer and you have to be good at selling those products and so it took me a while to embrace that idea and embrace the idea that marketing and sales isn’t necessarily this you know nasty thing that you know should be frowned upon. It can actually be a really beneficial thing and you can help a lot of people in the process so.
Success Harbor: So talk about marketing. You know, what were some of the first things that you learned to become a better marketer?
Sean Ogle: Well I think that one is relationships. I think that a lot of people, they kind of gloss over this idea. They kind of look at this idea that okay I’ve got a blog and I’ve got an email list and I’m going to you know just talk to people. I’m going to just put information out there and they’re going to consume it. It’s just a one way street and those people have you know, kind of the complete wrong idea. With a blog, or with email or with any of that stuff, it should be a two way street. You should be talking or they should be talking to you just as much as you’re talking to them. That was one of the lessons I learnt a couple years later.
Success Harbor: In this relationship what do you mean by relationships, relationships to other businesses or people that are in your network?
Sean Ogle: To potential customers. So in this case, blog readers for instance. So if I want somebody to buy my product and all they’re doing is they’re reading my blog post and they’re reading my emails that’s great but if they send me an email and I respond and we actually get into a conversation then we’re building that relationship, they’re going to be more likely to buy a product. I’m able to actually help them on a more one-on-one basis so that’s one of the most important things I learnt. I shouldn’t just be talking to people. I should be letting them talk back and giving them the opportunity to talk to me so I can build those relationships.
Success Harbor: And where do you find those people?
Sean Ogle: Generally they find me. So one of the things I encourage people to do when they sign up for my email list is the very first thing I say in the very first email I send them is, hey, tell me one, what you’re struggling with right now and two, what your perfect day looks like? So they’re first off kind of caught off guard. Usually in an auto-response kind of sequence people aren’t expected to reply and I get probably twenty five percent of people that will actually write me back and so they’ll answer those questions and usually they find, I find that they haven’t really thought about them. They haven’t articulated them that way so it’s a good exercise for them and then I catch them even more off guard when I give them a thoughtful reply back. So it’s like oh if you’re struggling with making money well maybe you should consider this type of business or oh if this looks like your perfect day maybe you should consider going down this path and so it takes it from I am the blogger and they’re just the reader to hey there is some kind of relationship here and you’re starting to establish a little bit of trust as well.
Success Harbor: So since you started your business what are some of the skills that you have to build, one of them is marketing but they are many aspects to it and I’m sure maybe they are some other things about marketing, but what other skills that you have to learn or to improve since you started?
Sean Ogle: Yes so, my business being kind of a blog based online business, Word Press has been extremely valuable. I have no real text skills when it comes to coding or web design or any of that kind of stuff so really understanding how to use Word Press has been important. Basic SEO, a lot of my traffic comes from Google or search engines so understanding how to optimize my posts so that they actually going to be find in those ways. A huge one is copywriting and this kind of goes back to the idea of marketing you know being able to be persuasive with your words and get people to do what you want them to do. I think that’s probably the most valuable skill you can possibly learn to have success, not only in an online business, in any business because you are constantly trying to get people to you know basically see things from your point of view. So I think those are three of the really big ones.
Success Harbor: Ok now mostly you live in Portland and you travel about four months out of the year and you just bought a house as well right in Portland?
Sean Ogle: I did, correct!
Success Harbor: And kind of a home base for you in Portland. Is it going to change at all the way you think about business or the way you think about you know being a location rebel?
Sean Ogle: Actually, it’s going to change very little in my life. For about five years or from basically before I moved to Thailand and while I was you know living in Portland after Thailand, my girlfriend and I lived in about 485 square feet, a one bedroom condo and working from home. It was extremely small and so now we have a much bigger house. We have dedicated office space so it’s really going to help my business to actually have the space to spread out and do more of the work I want to do and have the space to do it. It’s something I’m really excited about, but frankly I’m not going to travel any less. I will probably actually be traveling more this year than I usually do so you know it’s an added expense and so it’s something to think about but if anything it’s just motivated me to want to work that much harder because I know okay I’ve got that mortgage to pay for now. You got to make sure you’re not slacking off and for a while there I kind of didn’t have huge overheads and I still don’t have huge overhead but it can be easy to kind of slack off a little bit and go like well you know I’m going to golf today instead of work or whatever it is.
Success Harbor: So you basically haven’t had a job since 2009 right?
Sean Ogle: Correct.
Success Harbor: So a lot of people lose their jobs or quit their jobs and you know they end up going back to work or give up or whatever so give me some of the characteristics that you think someone should be prepared to have or have developed to be able to make it and I’m not, it doesn’t matter if you make ten million dollars or $100,000 but something you can stick with, what are some of those characteristics that one should have?
Sean Ogle: So there are two things in particular that jump out at me. The first is discipline and consistency. You know, it’s been, I’ve been doing my blog for about five years and it’s the only thing I think in my entire life I’ve stuck with that consistently for that long so. So many bloggers will get started, they think this can be the greatest thing ever and a month into it they don’t blog for a week or two and then before you know it, it doesn’t exist anymore and it isn’t updated and so if you’re going to start a business online you have to have the discipline to be consistent with the work you put into it and I think that’s what ninety-five percent of people you know failed with these types of businesses that’s the reason.
Success Harbor: So why did you not give up or why did you not quit? What is it that kept you going?
Sean Ogle: Well I think for so long, basically ever since the day I left my job my life has been one giant adventure and so I don’t take that for granted and I do a good job at balancing the work with the play and so I know that if I don’t work hard during the times I set aside to do that I’m not going be able to play and travel and do all the stuff I like to do. You know it’s like I can work now or I can have my business fail and go back and get a day job where I work fifty hours a week you know and at that point once you’ve kind of tasted it and I know what life can be like then you definitely have a lot of motivation to keep that going.
Success Harbor: And so how often do you post on your blog?
Sean Ogle: It varies. I usually try and post at least once a week. When I first started out I was doing two to three times a week but I kind of found that I can spend more time on articles and my readers get more value out of it and don’t get burnt out as much and are looking forward to the post more if I do it once a week so that’s kind of what I shoot for.
Success Harbor: What is your philosophy in terms of the depth of a post? Do you believe in long detailed post or short but very frequent? You already mentioned you only post once a week but do you have a philosophy?
Sean Ogle: I think that it depends on the content and what it is. You can have a very short post be just as impactful as a very, very long post. Personally, I like the long in depth step-by-step, how-to, tutorial type post and I try to make sure I write those as much as possible because those are the things that people are going to be able to sit down, spend a couple of hours with, walk through the steps and actually create meaningful change to actually get from point A to point B. There’s a lot of posts that are like that, that don’t give you the steps, that are just inspirational and they get you all excited. It’s kind of like a four hour work week that gets a ton of people excited, motivated to start their own business but it didn’t really tell them how to do anything. So there are a lot of people who come to sites like mine and say ok I’m all motivated and I’m ready to make a change. I know what can be done now you’re giving me the tools to actually you know put that change into action and so that’s one of the reasons why I really like some of those longer post.
Success Harbor: Now can you talk about what pays the bill in your business, what are some of the source of revenues? You mention affiliate income. I don’t know if you can go into that or maybe some other sources of revenues for your business?
Sean Ogle: So there’s a variety of sources for my business. You know, one is affiliated income and specifically those kind of long tutorial, how-to posts I just talked about, a lot of those. There is various tools that I use to you know reach my end goal whatever it is. Maybe it’s creating a sales page so I’ll do a long in-depth tutorial post about how to create a sales page and it’s like oh well I use AWebber to get my email leads and I use Optimize Press to actually create the sales page and those are all affiliate opportunities. The majority of my income comes from Location Rebel so that’s my online coursing community that I have been creating over the last three years. We have over seven hundred members that are all working on building this kind of independent business.
Success Harbor: And are those seven hundred members paying members? How does that work?
Sean Ogle: Every single person is a paying member with the exception of maybe like a dozen but yeah it’s a one-time fee of $500. I personally don’t really like the monthly. I can charge $97 a month or I can charge $500 up-front and I like the up-front fee for a variety of reasons. One, people are able to save up for it, invest in themselves and then they can forget about the money and just focus specifically on their business. More importantly, you know I have helped a lot of people there’s a lot of people in that community that actually built successful businesses and so what happens you know say a year down the road they have built their successful business then they stop paying and one of the most valuable parts of the whole program is the community and the forums and so soon as they stop paying you’ve got this person with all of this knowledge and then all of a sudden they are not there anymore. They can’t help the new people and so because it’s a one-time fee I have people who have been members for three years that are constantly coming back and helping all of the new people, giving advice and giving feedback so I think that’s one of the things that sets my private community apart where so many others kind of failed to really gain a lot of traction.
Success Harbor: Okay.
Sean Ogle: So and I have a couple other products. We just recently launched one called Enter China. It’s for entrepreneurs that are looking to do manufacturing or import/export into China. I do some consulting work. I work with Chris Gilbo as his affiliate manager, help him with a couple conferences including the world domination summit where recently we just did one called Pioneer Nation. I’ve got a few other different affiliate sites so I’ve got probably a dozen different income streams.
Success Harbor: Can you give us an idea of yearly revenue? Can you share that approximately?
Sean Ogle: Yeah, I can. Last year I made about a $150,000. This year I’ll probably make a fair amount more than that so.
Success Harbor: So the business is growing still and you know?
Sean Ogle: Every year the business is growing and I think that that’s directly related to you know kind of going back to the idea of relationships. I try and talk to as many readers as I can and I try to help them one on one as best I can and it takes a lot of time and effort to respond to those emails and do that but that’s the most enjoyable part of what I do. I’m a very strong believer in the idea that the more people I can help be successful, the more success I am going to have in my life so that’s what I try and do.
Success Harbor: So give us an idea. So far it sounds like everything has gone really well for your business but give me something that was a really big challenge for your business or maybe even a failure that was a good learning experience for you?
Sean Ogle: You know this is. I always hate this question because I don’t have a good answer to it. Like, I’ve been very, very fortunate in the sense that I haven’t had any massive failures. I haven’t had any really tough struggles. I would say the most difficult thing was making the transition out of my day job because I had so many allegiances to that company and I felt like I owed them and I should be staying there and then there was all of this terrifying uncertainty once I left. It was like how am I going to pay the bills? How am I going to make enough money to do this and you know that lasted for a couple months but pretty much as soon as I went to Thailand and started building up these skills and having an adventure and building up my network, Location180 continued to grow. You know, it’s, I haven’t’ had any you know any major problems.
Success Harbor: That’s fair.
Sean Ogle: And I hate it because I feel like I should. Every entrepreneur has their huge failure story and I think that my business has taken a little bit longer. I haven’t had any huge hits or huge wins you know so to speak but it’s just been very slow, steady incremental growth over the last five years.
Success Harbor: So give us an idea how many hours you have to work in your business to run everything from the affiliate marketing to writing and you know Location Rebel, et cetera et cetera.
Sean Ogle: It varies strongly from week to week. There’s weeks where I’ll work you know five to ten hours and that’s you know if I’m travelling or if I’ve got a lot going on you know my personal life. For instance I was moving all last week and so I wasn’t able to spend as much time on it and then there’s weeks that I’m working you know sixty to seventy hours a week if I’m getting ready for a product launch or if I’m just at home trying to you know getting cranked out on things. You know my business more than most it varies all over the place and I have, feel very fortunate to have that flexibility. If I need to take time off I can and I can make up with it just by working a little bit more the next week so.
Success Harbor: What role does outsourcing have in your business if any?
Sean Ogle: Very little. I’ve worked with some out-source for various businesses I’ve had in the past. I’ve worked with out-sourced people. When I was in Thailand and the guys that I was working with over there, I managed a team of people in the Philippines but I have one girl who helps me out with a lot of my social media and she helps me out with a couple of my sites and she is awesome but I wouldn’t call that out-sourcing. She just works with me on a variety of things. But other than that yeah I haven’t done a whole lot of traditional outsourcing over the last couple of years.
Success Harbor: Do you, I mean, do you ever, you talk about you know you don’t feel like you ‘ve had any failures but I’m sure there are days when you feel more successful than others. Do you, how do you experience the roller coaster ride of being an entrepreneur?
Sean Ogle: Okay, that’s a very fair question. It’s one of those things I don’t think, no matter how much success you have, you’re going to have your really good days and you’re going to have your really bad days. You know I have the days where I’m like oh my God, what if I never make another sale again? What if all my sites go down? What if, you know how am I going to pay the bills? It’s like even five years in I still have those you know wake up at 4:30 in the morning panic moments. It’s just kind of one of those wealth of things you learn that comes with the territory. First off, you just give yourself permission to understand this is going to happen for the rest of your life. As long as you’re an entrepreneur you’re going to have days like this and usually on those days I kind of say, alright, I recognize this is what’s going on. I’m freaking out a little bit and I try and just step away from the business you know. It’s kind of counter-intuitive. You feel like on those days you should be working even harder but usually those are the times that I’ll go for a hike or I’ll go golf or I’ll go see a movie or whatever it is and then I’ll come back. I’m more refreshed, I’ve got a better frame of reference to be able to, to keep going forward. It’s part of, it kind of comes with the territory and I think the more balanced your life is and the more you’re able to you know exercise and eat well and all of that sort of stuff, that helps kind of curtail those moments quite a bit.
Success Harbor: Can you talk about maybe the greatest high you had at owning your own business?
Sean Ogle: I think, there’s been quite a few but the one that really sticks out was July 26th of 2011. So that was the day that I first launched Location Rebel and I had been working on it for you know a few months. I had the idea for a year and a half. I had no idea if it was going to work. Back then my goal was to sell twenty beta spots at $300 a piece in a week or so. So I launched it at 8 am on July 26 and within forty-eight minutes I had sold out all twenty spots and so I made about somewhere between six and seven thousand dollars that day and that was the first time I was like, alright there’s something to this. You know I can do this and so I look back on that as my one first really big high, my first really big win.
Success Harbor: Okay. Now you know I’m sure you know a lot of people that own their own businesses and I always, I’m concerned about wasting time as an entrepreneur. What do you think is the biggest time waster for people that own their own business?
Sean Ogle: Oh, just surfing the Internet. When you spend, I’ll often spend ten hours a day at my computer. You know, really I think most people only have a capacity to have three or four hours of very focused, solid creative work and so there’s been more days than I could ever count where I’ll get three or four hours of really solid work and then spend six or seven hours just cruising Facebook or YouTube or you know whatever it is and I think that that’s just, especially for all my entrepreneurs, I think that is the biggest time suck that’s out there and I don’t think there’s anyone that doesn’t fall victim to it at some point or another.
Success Harbor: So if somebody, you know you talk about having a, you know, networking, building a community around your business, if somebody starts out now in 2014, what would you recommend to some body that starts now from scratch. You know they have a Word Press site, they started writing, you know they have product, how should they start out?
Sean Ogle: So I generally advocate a three step process and most people, they’ll jump straight to step number three and that’s why they might not be successful. Step number one is spend the time to learn the skills. So start a Word Press blog and then use that as a way to learn all the skills you need. So SCO, copyright, how to use Word Press, social media for business. All of those are really, really important skills to have when you’re working online. Step number two. Take one of those skills once you’ve kind of built up a proficiency at it and freelance it. Freelancing does two things, It helps you build your income. It’s much easier to build an income freelancing than it is to do affiliate sides or affiliate products or you know membership sites or whatever it is so build up your income which then in turn gives you the confidence to know that you can make money. So if you can get your income to a point freelancing where you’re making three to five thousand dollars a month then all of a sudden you’ve got all these options. You can say oh well I’m going to leave my job and go you know do this on the side and then work full time on a more exciting business. Maybe it’s an e-commerce store or whatever it is or you could say I’m going to take my three to five thousand dollars a month and I’m going to go hit the road. I’m going to go travel indefinitely you know doing this freelance work that allows me to work from anywhere. And so, step number one learn the skills. Step number two, pick something and freelance it and then step number three is start transitioning to applying it to your own projects. So for me that’s you know Location Rebel. I’ve got a golf blog that I started. I’ve got a photography site that I’ve started. You know other information products. The reason all of those are successful is because I had that SCO income to help me build my confidence. I knew I was going to be able to support myself. I didn’t have to get a day job so I was able to invest a lot more of my time into you know these things that are a little bit more exciting and things that I’m more interested in and have maybe more of an income potential.
Success Harbor: So how do you not get too excited about too many different things? I think, you know I’ve owned my own business for over ten years as well and sometimes it’s hard not to just start on this and that and the other thing. How do you stay focused enough, long enough to make something successful?
Sean Ogle: Not very well. I’m totally one of those people that falls into if like somebody comes up to me with a cool idea and is like, hey you want to do this and I’m like yeah, sounds great, let’s do it. And I’ve kind of realized I have, you know, probably every six months I have this realization that and say okay, like take a step back. You’re spreading yourself too thin like reassess the things you really want to be working on and then get rid of everything else and you know I think that when you’re especially just starting out, I would say take one thing. Just pick one thing that you think has the most potential and then focus on that until you’re at the point where you’re making money from it, you feel good about it and you’re starting to have a little bit more free time and then you can start applying it to the next project. You know there’s people that’ll say I’m going to start ten things all at once. I’m going to do a blog, a podcast, information product-ing, YouTube series. I’m going to do all of this at once and I think that’s the worst idea ever. You’re going to spread yourself too thin and you’re not going to be able to grow any of this. You know it’s much better to spend all of your time just on say a blog and just rove your email list than it is to have you know a tenth of the following spread out all over the place so that’s kind of my approach to it.
Success Harbor: Can you give us maybe one or two book titles that was especially helpful in your business?
Sean Ogle: So the obvious one for work week just because that was one of the first things to inspire me to say hey maybe there is another way to do this. A more you know kind of tactical one is Influence, the Psychology of Persuasion which is by Robert Caldini. It’s not necessarily a copyrighting book per say but it’s basically, he presents all of the different ways people can be persuasive so not only can you use them in your work but you can understand what people are doing to you psychology when they’re trying to convince you to do something and I think having you know both of those where you can use it on other people and understanding what they’re doing, I think is extremely powerful, so that’s the book I always tell people to read and start it.
Success Harbor: Do you have any last words of wisdom to share or maybe something I should have asked in terms of growing a business, taking your business from what it is now to the next level?
Sean Ogle: Well I think one of the biggest things people should keep in mind is that there is only one thing in the world people are afraid of. You might have all these reasons for not doing it or whatever but it all comes down to this idea of uncertainty. Most people are afraid of the uncertainty around what might happen or what might not happen and I think successful entrepreneurs instead of being terrified of uncertainty, they treat it as an asset. Because they don’t know what’s going to happen then they can make anything they want happen and so I think that if you’re able to take that mindset and look at uncertainty as an asset and treat that as a good thing you’re going to be way ahead of the game in terms of running your business.
Success Harbor: Well I appreciate your time today Sean. It was very informational. How can people connect with you?
Sean Ogle: The easiest way is to go to seanogle.com, S-E-A-N-O-G-L-E, @seanogle on Twitter or Facebook.com/location180.
Success Harbor: Alright be sure to check out Sean at S-E-A-N-O-G-L-E.com. Thank you very much Sean.
Sean Ogle: My pleasure. Thanks for having me.